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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:04 pm 
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bcombs510 wrote:
Terence Kennedy wrote:
Looking better. I agree transitions are a little abrupt but I'd go with what you have, record all the specs, see how it turns out and tweak the next one accordingly.

As mentioned I'd tuck the upper X and UTB but feather the lower stuff to the edge of the linings.

Let us know how you like it.


Thanks, Terence! I have archived the specs. I'm thinking of adding the soundhole bracing as well, which shouldn't take but just a few minutes.

So that I'm 100% sure what we are talking about. In the pic below you can see both the top and bottom of the X brace. The red boxes I was planning to tuck into the lining. The green boxes go down to zero a bit before the edge of the soundboard. Look correct?

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Yes that is what I was thinking.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:09 pm 
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Cool. I'll add the soundhole bracing, sand things up and close the box! :)

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meddlingfool wrote:
Most folk use a triangle shaped brace profile, not rectangular like that.

Is the reason for this(shape) to reduce mass but maintain strength ?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:48 am 
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Jonny wrote:
meddlingfool wrote:
Most folk use a triangle shaped brace profile, not rectangular like that.

Is the reason for this(shape) to reduce mass but maintain strength ?


Yes, you can shed a great deal of the weight of the brace without sacrificing much stiffness.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:32 am 
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Woodie G wrote:
One thing that was emphasized by the boss (emphasis as in "cut off all that bracing and start over.") was the need to keep the curves of the tapers and scallops smooth and moderate in terms of change in depth. A catenary-like curve - think suspension bridge - is a smooth curve that avoids 'elbows' in the stiffness curve. I think of it as that suspension bridge-like shape as opposed to the profile that looks like two widely separated ant hills on a flat stretch of ground.


I carved braces for a second top on another parlor I'm working on. I tried to think suspension bridge, I got closer but not quite there yet I think. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:01 am 
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Brad, I'm not going to wade thru all the discussion up to this point but I just want to show you what I have done. I've built three guitars from the Antes plans (and yes the first one was braced backwards but it sounds OK). The last two were lutz spruce (0.110) over Brazilian and Mad rose, and they are incredible little guitars - very loud, punchy and fairly complex sounding (however they definitely have that "parlor" sound). Braces are 1/4 wide, tapered (not really scalloped) and look like this

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Here is the first one, the braces look a lot like yours (except for the tone bar of course). It is Sitka over EIR so there are several differences besides just the bracing - everyone who has played them like the last two better

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Yours look like they are way over braced, but then maybe mine will blow up LOL.

Btw, if you build the depth shown on the plans they will just barely fit in a TKL case, next time I will reduce the depth by maybe an 1/8 of an inch or so.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:05 am 
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Thanks, Freeman!

Is this the case you are talking about? http://www.tkl.com/site_item_details.ph ... uitar+Case

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:17 am 
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bcombs510 wrote:
Thanks, Freeman!

Is this the case you are talking about? http://www.tkl.com/site_item_details.ph ... uitar+Case

Thanks!
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Pretty sure that is the one. The guy that I built the Braz guitar for has moved it into another case that he already had - he didn't like the way the lid of the TKL case was pushing on the top. I kept the Mad rose guitar for myself and I put a couple of paint cans in the case that were a little bit taller than the guitar, closed the lid and "coaxed" it into a slight dome. Taking an 1/8 or 1/4 off the sides would be a much better solution and I don't think would change the air volume appreciably.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:04 pm 
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I have posted this here before but Cedar Creek does a custom case for my size 2's. It fits the Antes specs nicely and is a very nice case. I think they were charging me around $135 last time I ordered. I actually need more so we'll see if the price has gone up.

If you call Cedar Creek and ask for the parlor guitar case they make for Kennedy Guitars in Alexandria MN they should be able to fix you up.

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bcombs510 wrote:
Woodie G wrote:
One thing that was emphasized by the boss (emphasis as in "cut off all that bracing and start over.") was the need to keep the curves of the tapers and scallops smooth and moderate in terms of change in depth. A catenary-like curve - think suspension bridge - is a smooth curve that avoids 'elbows' in the stiffness curve. I think of it as that suspension bridge-like shape as opposed to the profile that looks like two widely separated ant hills on a flat stretch of ground.


I carved braces for a second top on another parlor I'm working on. I tried to think suspension bridge, I got closer but not quite there yet I think. :)

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Looking better, the peaks at the end of the X are a little high. Mine are a little under 1/2"

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 7:21 pm 
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Here is mine. It's an old parlor I refurbished. It is braced for gut/nylon strings.

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